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“We think far beyond the electric car”

A fleet without fuel costs: What may sound utopian to the ears of many fleet operators is getting tantalisingly closer thanks to electric mobility according to Elke Temme. Since the beginning of 2021, she has been heading the new “Charging & Energy” division within Volkswagen Group Components to which the Group brand Elli has also belonged since recently.

Interview with Elke Temme

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The e-mobility expert explains in this interview how Volkswagen Group Charging GmbH provides an all-round service package to support fleet electrification – and how vitally important the topic of charging management is in this respect.

Ms Temme, your “Charging & Energy” division is still relatively new. To aid understanding: Which tasks have you been assigned?

Basically, all existing Group activities in relation to the topics of energy, charging services, charging equipment and infrastructure across all brands have been bundled and managed in our division since 1 January 2021. The Elli brand has also been located here since April of this year; Elli is a provider of natural power and charging solutions. Put simply, we look after all disciplines that relate to electric mobility.

Thinking beyond the car:
The Elli brand offers a complete package in and around electric mobility.

And what does that mean for our readers who may be considering electrifying their fleet right now?

This means that we can offer them a complete package thanks to our know-how and experience – and not just in Germany but throughout Europe. After all, one thing is certain: Stand-alone solutions are not the answer for electric mobility. When it comes to this very exciting but also extremely complex matter, you need to think far beyond the car. This is precisely what we do in close collaboration with the brands, relevant Group interfaces and, where appropriate, specialised partner companies.

How exactly do you “think beyond the car”?

By not just considering an electric car on its own merits. In contrast to conventionally powered cars, many more variables enter the equation. Topics that are just as important for us as the car include charging solutions at home for user choosers – naturally with a separate billing option –, the charging infrastructure at the company location, possibly even in-house energy production, uncomplicated authentication possibilities at the charging stations and – absolutely essential – smart energy management. All of these details need to be coordinated before the equation can be solved. And only then does electric mobility become a viable business case for the company. At the end of the day, the Total Costs of Ownership (TCO) are also critical in this respect.

Does that mean that a battery electric fleet vehicle is more attractive than a conventional model in terms of TCO?

By taking a comprehensive and structured approach, this can already become a reality. The more closely the previously mentioned aspects can be coordinated and the smarter energy management is organised, in particular, the lower the “fuel costs”, which have a significant impact on the TCO. Our goal is quite clear: to offers customers the prospect of even cost-neutral charging. This goal will get tantalisingly closer as soon as the first vehicles with bi-directional charging technology arrive on the market and all regulatory matters have been resolved. Besides this, we will be able to buffer the available green electricity to a large extent using vehicles that can supply electricity back into the grid.

Around 6,500 gigawatt hours of green electricity produced in Germany goes unused every year.
Enough energy to power 2.7 million vehicles for an entire year.

This means that the vehicles act to a certain extent like “rolling powerbanks”?

Quite correct. I always say: electric mobility and green electricity are two sides of the same coin. The more green electricity that is fed into the grid from wind power or photovoltaic systems, for example, the greater the fluctuation in supply, and the more storage capacity that is therefore needed – which we can generate with electric vehicles. Let me quote you a few figures: Around 6,500 gigawatt hours – note gigawatt – of green electricity produced in Germany every year goes unused at present. This is easily enough to power 2.7 million vehicles for an entire year. But this way of thinking is still too one-dimensional. Let’s take a company with 50 electrified pool vehicles and an in-house photovoltaic system. This system supplies green electricity for the offices and charges the vehicles at the same time. Because all vehicles are never on the road at the same time, the parked vehicles are used as interim storage and could do their part in supplying energy to the offices in bad weather, with the result then that less electricity has to be bought in from outside. What this means is that bi-directional charging further increases the attractiveness of electric mobility for fleets significantly – both from a cost perspective and in terms of sustainability.

The more green electricity is fed into the grid, the greater the fluctuation in supply.
Higher storage capacities are therefore needed for this reason: this capacity can be generated by electric vehicles.

The question of public charging possibilities is something that occupies the minds of many (potential) electric car users, whether private or business. What is the current situation in this regard?

Enormous progress is being made here. Some 2,400 fast-charging stations are already available along the main transportation corridors in Europe as part of the IONITY network. Our intention is to extend this number to around 18,000 by 2025 together with strong partners. Since the start of May, we have also been working through our Group subsidiary Elli with the Volkswagen Financial Services subsidiary LogPay, which issues the Charge&Fuel cards. This cooperation allows our customers to purchase electricity conveniently at more than 230,000 charging points throughout Europe. As to where we stand at present concerning charging: The first vehicles to source energy with Plug&Charge are expected as early as next year. This means that the car authenticates itself independently at the respective charging station without the need to present a card. This will make life noticeably more convenient for frequent business drivers in particular.

Ms Temme, a personal question to conclude our interview: What about you: Do you drive an electric car – and if so, what is your experience to date?

I have actually been driving an electric car for many years in my free time too and it has always worked out perfectly for me. Interestingly, I was at a filling station perhaps twice or three times during this period – in order to wash my car. In the days when I drove a car with a combustion engine, filling up was always more on my mind; with electric mobility, however, this is almost in passing – you hardly think about it any more. A little like with the smartphone.

Status: 01.09.2021

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Q7, fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined):11,0–7,8; CO₂ emissions in g/km (combined): 251–204; CO₂ class: G. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status 03.2024)
ID.7 Tourer Pro, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 16.8-14.5; CO₂ emission in g/km: combined 0. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicle. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 03.2024)
Superb, the official consumption and emission figures will not be available until the type approval process is concluded. (Status: 12.2023)
Enyaq 85 / Enyaq 85x, Enyaq 85: power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 15.8-14.9; CO₂ emission in g/km: combined 0. Enyaq 85x: power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 16.8-16.0; CO₂ emission in g/km: combined 0. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle image shows special equipment. (Status: 12.2023)
Q4 Sportback e-tron, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 18,9–15,6 (WLTP); CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle image shows special equipment. (Status: 11.2023)
Audi S6 Limousine TDI, fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7,3–6,9; CO₂ emissions in g/km (combined): 191–182. Consumption and emission values are only available according to WLTP and not according to NEDC for the vehicle. (Status: 10.2023)
Audi S6 Avant TDI, fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.5–7.1; CO₂ emissions in g/km (combined): 196–187. Consumption and emission values are only available according to WLTP and not according to NEDC for the vehicle. (Status: 10.2023)
Audi S7 Sportback TDI, fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.5–7.1; CO₂ emissions in g/km (combined): 195–186. Consumption and emission values are only available according to WLTP and not according to NEDC for the vehicle. (Status: 10.2023)
Porsche Taycan 4, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 24.8–19.6; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status:07.2023)
Audi e-tron GT quattro, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 21.6–19.6; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status:07.2023)
Born 170 kW (231 PS) 77 kWh, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 17.5-15.7; CO₂ emissions in g/km: kombiniert 0; electric range (combined): 496-552 km (527-551 km for 5 seater) (WLTP). Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status:07.2023)
Tavascan, vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 04.2023)
Vehicle no longer available for order, no consumption and emission data are available.
Golf Alltrack, fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 5.9–5.6; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 154-146. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 03.2023)
Audi R8 Spyder, fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 13.9–13.4; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 316-305. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 03.2023)
Polo GTI, fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 7.1–6.8; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 161-153. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 03.2023)
Leon CUPRA 300, no longer available for order. (Status: 03.2023)
Audi e-tron, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 24.3–22.0; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0: efficiency class: A+++. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 09.2019)
A6 Avant TFSI e quattro, fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 1.6–1.3; power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 21.5–19.8; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 37-30. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 03.2023)
SEAT Leon e-Hybrid, currently not available. (Status: 03.2023)
Arteon eHybrid and Arteon Shhoting Brake eHybrid, Arteon eHybrid: fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 1.4–1.1; power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 16.0–14.7; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 31-25. Arteon Shooting Brake eHybrid: fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 1.4–1.2; power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 16.2–15.0; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 32-26. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicles. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 03.2023)
T-Roc R, fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 9.1–8.6; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 205-196. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status:03.2023)
ID.4, ID.4 Pure Performance: power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 17.9–16.7; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0. ID.4 Pro Performance: power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 18.6–16.4; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0. ID.4 Pro 4MOTION: power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 19.3–17.1; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0.Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 03.2023)
Enyaq iV and Enyaq Coupé iV, Enyaq iV: power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 17.1–15.8; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0. Enyaq Coupé iV: power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 16.9–15.4; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0.Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 03.2023)
Motorsports vehicle, not available as a production model, no consumption and emission data are available.
ID.4 GTX, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 19.3–17.2 (WLTP); CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 03.2023)
Amarok PanAmericana, fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 10.5–10.2; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 274-267. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status:03.2023)
ID.3, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 16.5–15.2; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 07.2023)
Audi Q8 e-tron, combined power consumption in kWh/100 km: 24.4–20.1(WLTP); CO₂ emissions (combined) in g/km: 0. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicles. Information on fuel/power consumption and CO₂ emissions given in ranges depends on the equipment selected for the vehicle. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 12.2022)
Superb, official consumption and emission figures are not yet available, as the type approval process has not yet been completed.
ID. Buzz and ID. Buzz Cargo, ID. Buzz Pro: power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 21.8 - 20.6; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0. ID. Buzz Cargo: power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 22.3-20.3; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 0. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not NEDC are available for the vehicles. Fuel consumption and CO₂ emissions data with ranges depending on the vehicle equipment selected. Vehicle illustrations show optional equipment.
ID.5 Pro and ID.5 Pro Performance, Power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 18.4-16.1; CO2 emissions in g/km: combined 0. Only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not NEDC are available for the vehicles. Fuel consumption and CO2 emission data with ranges depending on the equipment selected for the vehicles. Vehicle illustration shows optional equipment.
Image shows concept vehicle/study, the vehicle is not available as a production model, no consumption and emission data are available.
ID.5 Pro, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 16.2; CO2 emissions in g/km: 0; efficiency class: A+++.Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 11.2021)
ID.5 GTX, Power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 17.1; CO₂ emissions in g/km: 0; efficiency class: A+++. Vehicle image shows special equipment. (Status: 05.2022)
Audi e-tron, power consumption in kWh/100 km: 24.3–22.0 combined; CO2-emission combined in g/km: 0; Efficiency class: A+++. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 09.2019)
ID.4 Pro Performance, power consumption in kWh/100 km: 16.0–14.8 combined; CO2-emission combined in g/km: 0; Efficiency class: A+++. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 02.2021)
Q5 Sportback, fuel consumption in l/100 km: Combined 7.6-4.7; CO2 emissions in g/km: Combined 182-123; efficiency class: C-A+. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 02.2021)
Caddy Cargo, Fuel consumption in l/100 km: Combined 5.8-4.4; CO₂ emissions in g/km: Combined 131-117. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 02.2021)
OCTAVIA COMBI SCOUT 1,5 TSI DSG e-TEC 110 kW, fuel consumption in l/100 km: Urban 6.1, extra-urban 4.2, combined 4.9; CO2 emissions in g/km: combined 112; efficiency class: A. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 02.2021)
SEAT Leon Sportstourer e-HYBRID, power consumption in kWh/100 km: Combined: 15.5–15.0; electricity consumption/petrol in l/100 km: Combined 1.3–1.2; CO2 emissions in g/km: Combined 29–27; efficiency class: A+. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 02.2021)
SEAT Leon e-HYBRID, power consumption in kWh/100 km: Combined 15.4–14.9; fuel consumption/petrol in l/100 km: Combined 1.3–1.2; CO2 emissions in g/km: Combined 29–27; efficiency class: A+. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 05.2021)
SEAT Tarraco e-HYBRID, power consumption in kWh/100 km: Combined 14.5; fuel consumption/petrol in l/100 km: Combined 1.8; CO2 emissions in g/km: Combined 41; efficiency class: A+. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 05.2021)
Audi Q4 e-tron , power consumption in kWh/100 km: Combined 17.3–15.8 (NEDC); Combined 19.0–17.0 (WLTP); CO₂ emissions in g/km: 0; efficiency class A+. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 05.2021)
Octavia RS iV, fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 1.5; power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 11.2; CO2 emissions in g/km: combined 33; efficiency class: A+. Vehicle image shows optional equipment.
Octavia Combi RS iV, fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 1.5; power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 11.4; CO2 emissions in g/km: combined 34; efficiency class: A+. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 05.2021)
OCTAVIA COMBI iV, fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 1.4; power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 11.6; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 31; efficiency class: A+. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 05.2021)
CUPRA Born, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 16.0–15.0; CO₂ emissions in g/km: 0; efficiency class: A+. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 09.2021)
Q4 Sportback e-tron, power consumption (NEDC) in kWh/100 km: combined1) 17.9–15.6; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined1) 0; efficiency class: A+. Vehicle images show special equipment. (Status: 09.2021)
ŠKODA ENYAQ iV 80x, Power consumption in kWh/100 km: 16.1 combined; CO2-emission combined in g/km: 0; Efficiency class: A+. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 09.2021)
ID.4 GTX, Power consumption in kWh/100 km: 18.2-16.3 combined; CO2-emission combined in g/km: 0; Efficiency class: A+++. Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 10.2021)
ID.5 GTX, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 17.1 – 15.6; CO₂ emissions combined in g/km: 0. Efficiency class: A+++; Vehicle image shows optional equipment.
ID.5 Pro and ID.5 Pro Performance, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 15,9 – 14,6; CO₂ emissions combined in g/km: 0; Efficiency class: A+; Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 06.2022)
CUPRA Formentor 2.0 TDI, fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 5.1-4.3; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 135-113; efficiency class: B-A.Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 05.2022)
Audi S8 TFSI, fuel consumption in l/100 km: combined 10.8-10.7; CO₂ emissions in g/km: combined 246-245; efficiency class: E.¹⁾ Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 05.2022)
ID.3 1ST, power consumption in kWh/100 km: combined 15,4 – 13,5; CO₂ emissions combined in g/km: 0; Efficiency class: A+; Vehicle image shows optional equipment. (Status: 09.2021)
ŠKODA ENYAQ iV 80 , electricity consumption in kWh/100 km: Combined 13.6; CO2 emissions in g/km: 0; efficiency class: A+++. Vehicle image shows special equipment. (Status: 02.2022)
Golf GTI, (180 kW / 245 PS) (NEDC) fuel consumption in l/100 km: urban 9.0-8.6 / extra-urban 5.6-5.3 / combined 6.9-6.5; CO₂ emissions in g/km (combined): 157-149; efficiency class: D-C. Vehicle image shows special equipment. (Status: 05.2021)